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Re: Re: Re: Re: Counterprotestors confront Minutemen, Neo-Nazis at Capitol

What, exactly, "beats down" these so called oppressed groups you mention? Does the government truly do so, or is it possible that their own entitlement mentality is the root of the problem? I know that there are those who are genuinely unable to fend for themselves. Children, the elderly, and mentally and physically handicapped people need our help, and I am happy to give to them. On that same token, I knw plenty of handicapped and old people who get pissed off if someone tries to give them anything. I can name several companies who employ the handicapped and pay them well, so they might have a chance to fend for themselves and gain some sense of accomplishment. Skilcraft Corp. of TX and Eggleston Services in VA come to mind.

The old "rough childhood" or "disadvantaged family" routine is older than Methuselah, and I am sick of hearing it. There are plenty of people who come from disadvantaged families, myself included, who are now successful because we applied ourselves, held ourselves to a high standard, and worked hard. If you think I got where I am today because I am white, or because I am lucky, or because there is some grand conspiracy, you have your head crammed in your ass.

Opportunities exist for ALL Americans, be they native born or naturalized, and this is the argument's true core: some people feel that the American way of life should be available to people who are not citizens and have never made a contribution. Some people have the entitlement mentality, "the world owes me something just because I am here" bit, and they never want to give anything back or make any contributions to the nation or to society. They would rather sit around and bitch about how much their life sucks and how they want the government to do more for them and how they hate those who are "more fortunate." I can tell you now, luck has nothing to do with it. I bust my ass every day for the life I maintain, and nothing, NOTHING, gives anyone the right to come along and take what's mine to give it to someone else. I have no problem making donations to charities or handing a couple of bucks to a guy on the street (I have been known to grab them up and take them to BK or Subway on numerous occassions), but there is a difference between true generosity and the government simply taking my money and giving it to someone else.

I know I got a bit off topic there, but the point is that if someone wants to reap the benefits of living in America, should they not be expected and required to abide by American laws and pay American taxes and learn the American language while they are here?
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Counterprotestors confront Minutemen, Neo-Nazis at Capitol

"What, exactly, "beats down" these so called oppressed groups you mention? Does the government truly do so..."

First off, Mexico is paying interest on a gigantic loan from the IMF. I can't find the most up to date number, but off the top of my head, the debt is a couple hundred BILLION dollars in debt. (Someone please correct this.)

This means no President of Mexico can afford to pay for ANY social service programs for poor people in Mexico.

Ask yourself where the interest on that debt is going, and how "legal" Americans are able to sustain their enormously wasteful lifestyle, including sitting on their computers getting fat.

If you don't ask yourself where all the wealth came from, then you really just want to pretend that all your benefits came from paying "taxes."

Second of all, Mexico is stuck with a handful of large landowners who wish they were the Spanish conquistators, and who refuse to give up any land to the peasants.

Third of all, NAFTA has wiped out the middle class of Mexico, as proven by all kinds of economists, left and right, and a President who thinks that selling the National oil company of Pemex, and making a deal for another "braceros" program in the US, is the way to solve his economic problems.

I could go on, but I have to go to work - unlike others who seem to be parked on this thread.
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Counterprotestors confront Minutemen, Neo-Nazis at Capitol

Mexico is paying interest on a gigantic IMF loan... hmmm... and that is America's fault somehow? Mexico borrowed the money; we didn't force it down their throats. Are you trying to tell me that untold billions of dollars generated by the IRS are being back-filled by interest from loans to other countries? *GASP* Oh, the horror! The audacity, the temerity of those evil banks, making money by charging interest on loans! And your NAFTA comment is pretty much right; everyone knew it would tear the economy of Mexico a new ass, but they went ahead and signed it anyway. The point is, THEY agreed to it. And that particular bit of legislation was generated by the Clinton administration, if my memory is correct.

I fail to see how any of this ties in with illegal immigration and the problems it presents American workers, aside from the obvious fact that Mexico's economy is in chaos. Does any of the aforementioned give the Mexican government the right to print and distribute pamphlets on how to successfully sneak across American borders? Does it give them the right to have armed patrols protecting the border-jumpers by firing upon US Border patrol personnel? Dig deeper into the issues on OUR side of the border for once.
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Counterprotestors confront Minutemen, Neo-Nazis at Capitol

Why does Mexico take money from the IMF? Why does the IMF offer money to Mexico? Who runs the IMF?

And, what do trade deals do to Mexico?

And, how is a single Mexican citizen caught up in all of this responsible for the mistakes of two national governments?

And, yet you single out the Mexican and give no thought as to how anyone ends up in the condition they end up.
 

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