What the fuck is a "Peace" march? I went to an anti-war march. I'm not interested in peace without justice. Pax American is murder, no more and no less than real war. If we're gonna get justice, we're gonna have to rethink the "peace" where we use 80% of the world's resources. And no rich asshole politician/capitalist is gonna be giving that up without violent lashes against our movement. And you think that wearing a gas mask isn't appropriate to protect ourselves from this violent lashout? For shame, dumb liberal, for shame. We haven't even begun to take on self-defense, and you're already getting weak-kneed at tangible, non-violent bodily protection from violent attacks from the state. Wake up, idiot.

dude, get some therapy. No amount of screaming, cursing and sticking it to "the man" is going to make-up for an asshole of a dad or whatever your emotional problem is. Fire + fire = more fire. You go up to the police with violence, you can expect violence. This is not about who's weak-kneed, this is about a vision. Your vision basically says only force and violence lead to change. If thats your vision, you can expect a repeat of what we have now. Anyone who uses violence to take power will be a violent power-monger by definition....even if mixed-in with well-intentioned idealistic visions of a non-capitalist state. The true revolution will happen through internal change not external change. And that internal change will be about peace, love, compassion and growth the happiness not tragedy. And that internal changed can't be forced from the outside. It can, however, be led from the outside...even led by example.

I totally know where you are it. And if you're older than 22 I would be really surprised. It may take you a while to realize that all that anger offers very little in return. best of luck "Danger Mouse"...

I am older than 22. I am ashamed of you. Reread my comment. I said nothing about fire, nothing about violence to take power. I said that protecting onesself from the inevitable lashes that power will dole out to those who resist, even symbolically, is warrented. Can you really be so dense that you construe wearing a gas mask a violent act? Do you decry bicyclers who wear helmets for their violence against those who would hit them with their cars? What the hell ground are you standing on? Who the motherfuck are you?

"You go up to the police with violence, you can expect violence."

Quit the movement. Seriously. You are worse than a fucking cop. Who went up to the police with violence? NO ONE. The violence was initiated by the police and acted upon the protesters ALL DAY. Who came to the protest with offensive weapons? The POLICE. Did the protesters ram motorcycles into crowds of unarmed police officers? I DON'T FUCKING THINK SO. You remind me of those assholes who blame rape victims for their victimhood because they were "asking for it." You make me sick.

PS: You tell the parents of the mutilated children in Iraq about the love and compassion you have for their child's murderers. You tell the millions of people starving to death in stinking hovels in third world countries while you throw away bruised apples that you want "peace" which denies them a full stomach just as much as war does. You tell the people of the internal US colonies (black/new afrikan, native american, Xicano) that they should wait to change the system from the inside, an inside that has been denied them for 500 years. You are dripping with white upper-class privelege, and people around you are starving to death. Wake up, liberal.

Force and violence are two different things. Noncooperation, monkeywrenching, and the like, can be powerful forces without using violence. The police used force (blocking people) and violence (hitting people) (though I couldn't see the latter) to close off public space. The protesters east of 3rd Street used nonviolent noncooperation to defeat police violence: moving around the police lines, moving through gaps in the police lines, etc. It's a small example. Consider the Underground Railroad, union organizing, working around the Salt Tax, bus boycotts, etc. Those are larger examples.