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Re: Largest Civil Disobedience Movement in U.S. History Underway

Since when a large number of arrests and payoffs to your local police force-which maintain a permanent siege and a policy of state terrorism in communities of color-constitute the largest civil rights movement in US history? This gross misrepresentations can only come from self-righteous and arrogant pacifists. Why don't they show some respect for the brave struggles of the Palestinian and Iraqi peoples who are resisting western state terrorism and occupation? The fact they are resisting through arms doesn't make those struggles any less just and important than yours!

And here is another fact that needs to be look at seriously: we can't even begin to talk about peace without addressing first the justice denied to peoples all over the world by imperialist powers. Justice in this case means the total and fair redistribution of wealth and resources illegally stolen from peoples all over the planet! And that includes your own wealth and the privilege that comes with it! This alone is the reason for the vast majority of conflicts in the world during the past and today.

You can continue with your peace parades, seat downs and negotiating and paying the police for mass arrests and still change nothing! It is the courageous resistance of the Iraqi people that deserves all the credit and which eventually will bring them victory, not matter how long it takes!
 
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Re: Re: Largest Civil Disobedience Movement in U.S. History Underway

Many of the people listed in the report have not paid fines.

The tone of your response is self-righteous and arrogant.

Where as it is true that many of the oppressed people you have listed are resisting violently there are just as many who are resisting nonviolently. Are you condemning these Palestinians and Iraqi people too?
 

Re: Re: Re: Largest Civil Disobedience Movement in U.S. History Underway

If this crap were actual "resistance" -- that is, direct, active interference with troop movements, shipments of war materiel, any other actions with serious impact on "business as usual" -- it might be worth mentioning. As it is, it's a bunch of people who got arrested at some contrived CD action, got toted off to jail, paid their fines, and were released, with no impact whatsoever on business, fascism and imperialism as usual.

Right now, this moment, there are thousands and thousands of Iraqis and Palestinians who know the real score and who are willing to do whatever it takes to drive the American and Israeli imperialists out of their countries -- up to and including the sacrifice of their own lives. Sadly, too many American "activists" have bought into the homogenized, cleaned-up Gandhi mythology that says that it's noble to just sit there and let the State and Capital kick the shit out of you instead of striking back.

As soon as you get some news of recruiting offices and records destroyed, war materiel awaiting shipment on docks destroyed, tax strikes, general strikes, large numbers of troops convinced to desert or turn their guns around, be sure and give us a holler.

Otherwise, I'm sick of hearing about the same old, lame old.
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Largest Civil Disobedience Movement in U.S. History Underway

actually if you would have read the whole list it did include people that were actually interferring with the war machine. One example i can remember off the top of my hea from the list is when Pittsburgh Organizing Group blockaded the NREC, and shut it down.
 
Reply: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Largest Civil Disobedience Movement in U.S. History Underway / 11 Dec 2007

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Wow, a bit bitter aren't you Mike? When was the last time you sacrificed a little for a movement? I guess you are best at just whining and doodling. There are many ways to speak truth to power and resist. My last conviction, I got 6 months probation and actually never paid the fine. So, no, I did not pay a cent to "the system." And while not everybody is at this point -- it's gradually becoming a trend now.
 

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