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Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the "confession" video was not only inaccurate, but even "manipulative".
Mistranslated OBL video - Germany's Channel One investigates

On 20 December 2001, German TV channel "Das Erste" broadcast its analysis of the White House's translation of the OBL video that George Bush has called a "confession of guilt". On the show "Monitor", two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House's translation not only to be inaccurate, but "manipulative".

Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini, one of the translators, states, �I have carefully examined the Pentagon's translation. This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of Bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic.�

Whereas the White House would have us believe that OBL admits that �We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy��, translator Dr. Murad Alami finds that: ��In advance� is not said. The translation is wrong. At least when we look at the original Arabic, and there are no misunderstandings to allow us to read it into the original.�

At another point, the White House translation reads: �We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day.� Dr. Murad Alami: ��Previous� is never said. The subsequent statement that this event would take place on that day cannot be heard in the original Arabic version.�

The White House's version also included the sentence �we asked each of them to go to America�, but Alami says the original formulation is in the passive along the lines of �they were required to go�. He also say that the sentence afterwards - �they didn't know anything about the operation� - cannot be understood.

Prof. Gernot Rotter, professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at the Asia-Africa Institute at the University of Hamburg sums it up: �The American translators who listened to the tapes and transcribed them apparently wrote a lot of things in that they wanted to hear but that cannot be heard on the tape no matter how many times you listen to it.�

Meanwhile the US press has not picked up on this story at all, reporting instead that a new translation has revealed that OBL even mentions the names of some of those involved. But the item is all over the German press, from Germany's Channel One (�Das Erste� - the ones who broke the story, equivalent to NBC or the BBC) to ZDF (Channel Two) to Der Spiegel (the equivalent of TIME or the Economist - visit www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,174025,00.html
if you can read German). More surprisingly, as I write the following site appears on Lycos in German: www.netzeitung.de/servlets/page - but nothing under lycos.com in English.

Instead, we read in the Washington Post of Friday, December 21, 2001 (the day after the German TV show was broadcast) that a new translation done in the US �also indicates bin Laden had even more knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon than was apparent in the original Defense Department translation.... Although the expanded version does not change the substance of what was released, it provides added details and color to what has been disclosed.�

I�ll say. Aren�t there any reporters in the US who speak German (or Arabic, for that matter)? An article in USA Today of 20 December 2001 sheds some light on why the original translation might not be accurate: �the first translation was rushed in 12 hours, in a room in the Pentagon�. So why didn�t the new US translation find the same discrepancies as the German translators did? Read the article in USA Today against the grain: �Michael, who is originally Lebanese, translated the tape with Kassem Wahba, an Egyptian. Both men had difficulties with the Saudi dialect bin Laden and his guest use in the tape, Michael said.� Why can a Saudi translator not be found in a multicultural country like the US, especially with the close business relations between the US and Saudi Arabia? Bush Sr. probably knows any number of them himself.

Of course, if we ever hear about the German analysis in the US press, the reactions will be that some will never believe that OBL is behind the attacks no matter what you tell them. But actually, Americans are just as stubborn in refusing to face facts. One moderator on Fox News complained to his interviewee that the European media were focusing too much on civilian casualties in Afghanistan. (I wondered which European languages this moderator could speak; a few weeks later, he happened to say on his show that he had had �three years of German�. This, he claimed, would allow him to �do the show in German.�) His interviewee responded that, yes, the Taliban were very savvy manipulators of the media. So there we have it: Europeans get their information straight from the Taliban Ministry of Propaganda.

Craig Morris is a translator living in Europe. He can be reached at cmorris (at) t-online.de. The original broadcast of the German show can be viewed in German at www.wdr.de/tv/monitor/real.phtml.
 
 
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I don't speak Arabic, but I do have a brain in my head. As reported, what you say makes no sense. Let's take out the words 'in advance'. Now Bin Laden would be saying 'we calculated the casualties', but not in advance?

PK
 

So what?



And who hasn't been "calculating the number of fatalities"? Why wouldn't Osama calculate when every other person on the planet has been doing the same?

 

All In the name of Semantics

Regardless of the turning of the phrase or how it was stated, ben ladin took the credit and responsibility for the "coup" on the USA. Personlly, I think that there are more than ben ladin involved in the MidEast and European arena. I believe ben ladin is a throw away for the real authors and controllers of this act of heinous cowardly terrorism against the USA.
 

This Video was taken in 1998!!!

The video of Osama was made in 1998. The reason I say this is I have seen a lot of his propaganda video's and in this video he looks 'fatter/plumper' than he IS NOW! It can even be said, that if you look closely at OBL on this video, his facial characteristic's are totally different to the Osama we have seen lately. Anyhow the US gov. and people always think THEY are right so who are we to criticise a Hollywood assisted Bush/US. movie prodution? Duh?
 

Re: This Video was taken in 1998!!!

I had been watching dreams for years and could tell the difference between a real dream and a made up dream. It was by the made up dreams that I knew the Osama bin Laden video was a fake.
 

What we need...

What we need is a little more of THIS in the media. No matter how accurate or inaccurate either translation is, disagreement, and reporting on such disagreement, is what makes us better than the Talibans out there. Unfortunately, the main stream media seems to be operating as the official propaganda arm of the current administration. THIS SERVES NO ONE...Liberal or Conservative. Instead of allowing such discourse, instead we have Ashcroft basically stating that if you disagree you're helping terrorists. If you disagree your a traitor? These type of comments only dress those who make them in the verbal clothes and tactics of Bin Laden.
 

USA is a Republic, not a Democracy.

The USA is not a democracy and never has been. It's a Republic. In fact, it is only similar to a democracy in one way: the people vote. However, the votes are only used as "examples" for a select group of "representative voters" from each state who declare who wins. In other words, a handful of people vote someone into office as president, and thus it is a not a democracy where mob rules apply. This process is intentional and prevents a multitude of evil people from damaging the lives of those who are good (God bless the founding-fathers, who were either Christian or they did not hide the fact very well).
 

Who is the Spin Dr. Now?

Intresting commentary on both sides to date. You do have a point that we really do not know the validity of the source who translated the OBL tape. Now you claim and I do say claim to have evidence proving that the US version of translation is a falsehood, yet you can not share this article with us(your Target Audience) because it happens to be written in German, I find that hard to believe. Your credibility is not looking good at this point. There are quite a few people out there that can speak and read and write German and who, if you even bothered to ask would gladly do it for you. So here I am wanting to believe what you are saying but, you cannot give me any proof. Hmmmm, not good Psyop if you ask me. Oh just a note for future Psyop Operations you plan to conduct, don't trash the other guys point of view and Psyop material, simply point out why yours is the truth
 

cart before the horse

Even if the video was an indictment of Bin Laden, which I seriously doubt, the tape surfaced 5 or 6 weeks into a bombing operation which up to that point had no evidence presented to implicate any group except Saudi Arabia by virtue of the fact that almost all of the hijackers were of Saudi origin. In other words, it was a little too late to start submitting evidence after you've been bombing Afghanistan back to the stone Age for 5 or 6 weeks.
 

Bin laden doesn't condemn the attack

From what I've gathered, O B Laden didn't actually plan the attacks, but OBL is happy that it happened - now even that is wrong.
 

Very Similar to KAL007

The Reagan White House released very damning
transcripts of the conversations between the
Russian air traffic controllers and the
Soviet fighters that tracked and shot down
the KAL007 airliner.

Subsequent independent translations came out,
when all the excitement had blown over, revealing
that the White House's official translation was
a pack of lies.
 

bin Laden in hospital 9/10/01?

In the video transcript supplied by our government, the bin Laden video image says: "We finished our work that day [Sept. 11] and had the radio on. It was 5:30 our time. Immediately we heard the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.

However, according to CBS News (see www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CBS203A.html ), bin Laden was seen entering a Pakistani Military hospital in Rawalpindi on the evening of September 10th.

And he was "working" the next day?

There may also be a discrepancy in the transcript about the time. I found (using www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html ) that 8:47 AM Eastern DST 9/11/2001, the moment the first plane hit the WTC, was 5:47 PM Islamabad time. If Rawalpindi runs on the same time as Islamabad, that would place "5:30 our time" (the time the bin Laden image mentions) BEFORE the attack occurred.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

It seems that the veil of hypocrisy is finally being destroyed via the information highway .

When we no longer depend on FOX News or ABC or NBC we realize how much we are being conditioned like puppets to accept an evil administration.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

the American translation reflects spirit of new Russian emmigrants hired by the governement. Their communist upbringing finally is useful in the state of lies.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

I think a lot of this is a George Bush junior conspircacy. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Pres. George Bush Jr. has part ownership in some of Osama Bin Laden's oil. Do you recall the look on the president's face when they informed him of the attacks? He didn't seem to be too surprised in my opinion. We wonder if Bin Laden knew previously of the attacks on 9/11. We should wonder about the president's previous knowledge of 9/11. How do we question our own country's leaders and get real answers. I think it's pretty shocking how the members of Al Queda defeated every deparment of security we have in this country and all the FBI and government can do is give us some bogus excuse as to why they didn't see it coming. Is it maybe that they didn't want us to see it coming? Kind of strange how the flight school was in the state where the president's brother is governor. Maybe any other state would've done a little more screening.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

a certain 'existent' did an 'hedonic calculation' and said "yes its moral' .
 

The Dreams

I had been watching dreams for years and could tell the difference between a real dream and a made up dream. It was by the made up dreams that I knew the Osama Bin Laden video was a fake.
 

It doesn't add up

On CBS "60 Minutes" tv show there was a story about an Arabic translator at the FBI who was punished for trying to do more effective translations.

This fact goes hand in hand with deception and sloppiness in the Amercan syndicated media. Most American media stories fail to answer the 5 w's: who?, what?, when?, where?, why?; and how?
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

It would be useful if you would create a printer freindly version of your website. You may also whant to make sure your heading fits on your webpage.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

Osama What A coward you are just keep running because one day you will be dead and then I will pray for you because my God un like your god doe not wish harm on anyone and i am trying but it is hard,
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

9/11 is a conspiracy. The media is trying to make the people who know the truth look like idiots. The tape released the day after 9/11 was fake. First of all, that doesn't even look like Osama bin Laden, and he is wearing gold and writing with his right hand. (he's left handed and forbidden to wear Au (metal starting with g - [ed]).
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

Explain to me how building number 7 collapsed, for no reason, in New York? Oh, Yes, it fell STRAIGHT DOWN like the Twin Towers.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

Hello? FOX is the worst possible example of American media ignorance on Earth.
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

dont you proofread your articles,spell check is atrocious
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

yoooohhoooooo OSAMA =]
 

Re: Mistranslated Osama bin Laden Video - the German Press Investigates

well !
 

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