I was asked by a few people to upload the laughter that follows the next question.

43 second video clip
7.5 MB MPEG-1

Prior to 9-11 Unocal Oil and the U.S. govt invited the Taliban leadership to a Texas Holiday Inn for talks on gas and oil pipelines from the massive Caspian Sea deposits.

The Taliban turned them down and went with a South American consortium. We could do noting about it.

9-11 happened.

We now had reason to go into Afghanistan, install a former oil exec as leader, and started building the pipelines.

Then the prez of Georgia gave Russia the contracts for the oil and gas pipelines. We had him kicked out. We now have contract mercenaries and special forces guarding the pipelines. They are in Georgia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkey. It opens in 2005.

Energy security is vital to our economy and military. Remember, The Soviets and East German militaries degraded because their economies fell apart. Not a shot was fired.

Yeah, Indy meatheads, and I suppose next you'll say Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the WTC live on TV before entering a classroom in Sarasota, Fl., and then after the second hit that he did nothing but read 'A Pet Goat' book.
Bush is 0% politics and 100% for the average CEO.

there is no trojan in the laughter.
I guaranty.

i think im gonna be sick.

yeah it was me who asked over at gnn.tv. thanks.

No of course Bush knew about 9/11 - why he had to have or else you wd have to conclude that assholes like Dean who repeat this idiotic lie are loons, and we know we can't do that, right?

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Yeah, "Bush Knew". Bush persoanlly tracked Saddam and kept tabs on his position. In fact, Bush was the one who led those trrops to the hole and popped the lid.

Oh, so you little liberal head is going to expolde because you want to point out that it NOT Bush who did that but hundreds of people. And that if you caount those associated with those with direct responsibility, it's now thousands who would know.

And all of those people kept quiet and continue their silence?

You gotta love the "Deanie Boppers" when they slurp their Kean Dean Kool Aid.

As they said at Jonestown, "Bottoms Up".

Man, this sight is as bad as it gets! If you want to hear laughter, listen to how most people react to this website!

BWAAAHAAAAHAAA!!!!

I just love how the Shills come barreling in with their "cute" little comments.

No brains, no wit, no valid comment. It's a "Hat Trick".

Of Course Bush Knew.

An honest review of the events of the morning and subsequent comments, all in the Public Record, can lead an honest reviewer to only one conlcusion: BUSH KNEW.

WHERE WAS NORAD ON 911?

Dittoheads, how do you like the sound of "martial law"? That's what's in store for ALL of us after the next terror attack, whoever is responsible for it.
BWAAAAHAAAAAHAAAA
See you in the detention camps.

Great clip, and another example of how curios george can't form a complete sentence. A good synopsis of how the laws of physics, and rules of common sense would have to be broken for 9-11 to have happened the way the neo-cons describe is about half way down the page at this site:
www.globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/SHOPCART.html and is called Painful Questions (the book) / Painful Deceptions (the video) by Eric Hufschmid
An Analysis of the September 11th Attack

For those who think it's cute or witty to post juvenile, uninformed comments/monologues on this site, it's neither, and the only people laughing are those who read YOUR posts on THIS site. Please go away, or fall off a cliff or something. I hear the Darwin Awards are up for consideration.

re: Yeah, Indy meatheads, and I suppose next you'll say Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the WTC live on TV before entering a classroom in Sarasota, Fl., and then after the second hit that he did nothing but read 'A Pet Goat' book.

Bush himself claims that he saw the first plane hit the WTC on live TV. From www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Jordan. Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it. And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."

See? He was in the classroom, sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in. Then he was whisked out of there - whisked! - but continued to sit there, until Andy Card came over and said "Um...don't you think you oughta do something, sir?"

Of course he knew and of course he was complicit. Of course, you whores....

Where were the scrambled jets?
Cell phones don't work on airplanes.
I never saw jet wreckage at the Pentagon.
I never saw jet wreckage in Philadelphia.
I find it curious that ON sept. 11 they found the car with the koran and flight manuals
I never believed there were WMD.
I thought it was curious that "the Center of World Trade was hit"
I was curious at how much coverage it received.
I was absolutely devastated that this was allowed to take place entirety with ZERO military interference.
I was shocked at how quickly we went to Afganistan.

We are so screwed.

This administration is the most liberal in history. True conservatives are for fiscal responsibility and small government. No one wins if we bankrupt ourselves.

Make up your own mind...

www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

ABSOFUCKINLUTELY! there is a HUGE pile of documents that supports this......the reason they can pull this stuff off is because america is assleep!!!!dittoheads...do your'e research and wake up!

> No one wins if we bankrupt ourselves.

Except those with the money in their pockets!

http://www.thefourreasons.org/money.htm

Of course Bush and-or Cheney knew.
This is the worst regime in the history of the United States with regard to secrecy and deception. This regime learned the lessons of Vietnam and the Nixon tactics and refined them into an art. From the stolen election to the riechstag WTC fire and now the sudden "capture" of a man already being held and tortured underground in custody.

Wow. Look at these shills go.

For those who read this far, your own government (and others) are paing people to watch the 'net, and to pounce on ANYTHING that is too close to the truth with the very traditional "tinfoil" rants.

"put this little trojan horse program on your machine"

There is no trojan. Scan for it. Yet this asswipe LIED to try aand frighten you into not seeing the evidence.

"Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the WTC live on TV"

That is exactly what I'd claim, because it's the dead truth. Bush said he watched it on TV before the first video became available. Google it.

"that assholes like Dean..."

Dean is the hand picked opposition candidate. He hasn't even come closeto discussing the real case, because he exists only to "co-opt the resistance". Dean is worthless. You'd get much better results with Sharpton, till the CIA whacks him, like Kennedy. 50+ witnesses say they heard the shot come from the knoll.

" it's now thousands who would know"

Yep, including Rep McDermott, who, when asked if he knew something about saddam's imminent "capture" a week ago said "yes, I do." Seems like quite a few knew about it!

"If you want to hear laughter, listen to how most people react to this website!"

What's funny is that this prick thinks mockery will change your mind. I've been laffed at many times, but you know what? My IQ and test scores are off the charts. I'm being laffed at by my inferiors. Ow, how terribly painful, lol.

"after the next terror attack, whoever is responsible for it."

We KNOW who's responsible for 9-11 and OKC, ya fuq. The anthrax was the US made Ames strain, and (for some reason) the FBI keeps the heat on Hatfill, when Dr. Phillip Zack was filmed entering the facility after hours, AFTER he was fired. Zack is an Israeli, which I wouldn't give a crap about if their fingerprints weren't all over most "terrorism" that blames arabs. See "the Lavon Affair".

"See you in the detention camps."

BTW, this is true. Google it. They are being built as I write. This is to remind you that, if they can swing it, political dissenters, patriots, and...well, whomever they want will be sent by rail to FEMA camps all over the country.

This is no lie. Check it out. Read "Martin Bormann, Nazi In Exile" if you want to understand how Americans could build concentration camps for it's own citizens.

"I never saw jet wreckage in Philadelphia."

Careful, now. The reason you think there's something up w/ flight 93 is precisely because of the wreckage, which was spread over 8 miles- something that CANNOT happen on a ground impact, ergo: 93 was shot down, just like all those witnesses said.



So, if you want to know what to do about it, stop driving, stop banking, stop paying taxes, stop watching TV, and for crissake, don't elect Dean. He's a shill, that's why he's the front runner.

If the media willfully covers up this treason, but happily gives Dean press time, what does that tell you about him?

Don't go halfway down the path to enlightenment, and then pat yourself on the back when you get a few feet farther than you were. You NEED to keep digging until you get the whole picture, and that is that your government was systematically corrupted over the last century.

Funny, not many know, but while the CNN/FOX/MSNBC were showing pictures of a rent-a-crowd of Iraqi COMMUNISTS (red flag?) celebrating Saddam's capture, King George signed Patriot II into law.

Welcome to this Brave New World, savage.

You have 11mos to fix it, else this country is over, and it'll be civil war in America.

Guess which side used your money to build the underground bunkers all over the country? They'll win a civil war too, simply by waiting it out under 5 miles of granite.

Don't be a fool. Learn the truth NOW. You owe it to yourself, and me, tho the latter would take more explaining than I have time for.

Be well.

http://www.thefourreasons.org/money.htm

Who REALLY did Sept 11

BERGEN RECORD (New Jersey)
FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
Wednesday, September 12, 2001
www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm
By PAULO LIMA Staff Writer

Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."
[editor: snip for copyright]

WORKERS AT ISRAELI OFFICE RECEIVED ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE 9-11 TERROR ATTACK
SOURCE: HA'ARETZ (ISRAELI NEWSPAPER) ENGLISH LANGUAGE EDITION

THIS STORY WAS ALSO CONFIRMED IN THE WASHINGTON POST

www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml

ODIGO SAYS WORKERS WERE WARNED OF ATTACK
By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. "I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. .......And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya

Who REALLY did Sept 11

BERGEN RECORD (New Jersey)
FIVE MEN DETAINED AS SUSPECTED CONSPIRATORS
Wednesday, September 12, 2001
www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm
By PAULO LIMA Staff Writer

Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.

However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."

Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.

Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.

"We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."

East Rutherford officers summoned the county bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. The FBI alert, known as a BOLO or "Be On Lookout," was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read:

"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. "Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."

State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. "First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave," the traveler said.

At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.

WORKERS AT ISRAELI OFFICE RECEIVED ADVANCE NOTICE OF THE 9-11 TERROR ATTACK
SOURCE: HA'ARETZ (ISRAELI NEWSPAPER) ENGLISH LANGUAGE EDITION

THIS STORY WAS ALSO CONFIRMED IN THE WASHINGTON POST

www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml

ODIGO SAYS WORKERS WERE WARNED OF ATTACK
By Yuval Dror

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. "I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. .......And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya

It has been scientifically proved that the impact of the two planes that struck the World Trade Center towers on 9.11.2003 was not in itself enough to make the towers fall down as they did. To make them fall down, explosions would have had to go off inside the towers. Therefore, the planes flying into the towers were only a diversion intended to suggest that forces from outside the USA were attacking the USA, and indeed the whole world, as the WTC towers represented the whole world as their name suggests. The real force that made the towers fall down was an internal force within the USA, and the aim was to give an excuse to attack any country opposed to the expansionist politics of the USA.

I believe my pretzeldent. I have to. I uh, you know, can't speak complete sentences, uh it's, yes? Is that you Jesus? I uh, sniff, sniff, snort, swallow, spit, I uh know most Amerikans believe like me that havin' people pray for you is good, and that the killers is evil. I have to respect a man who can not only destroy our democracy, but our language at the same time. I uh, er, what? Jesus, not now. I should be prayin' now, get me an oval office, uh, yeah, uh, sniff, sniff, snort hock petui!!!
How can you not love a man with this much class!!! The guy is a riot. He's the most idiotic bafoon ever to appear on the national sacrificial altar of big time politics. I like to check him out just for the laughs (as long as I don't calculate what it is that this mindless crusader is actually doing). He is a creepy weirdo with more facial ticks than a bad Nicolas Cage movie. Some one help us, some space alien come and take over now, it is just insane!

Ok, boyz. Just think a little. What would you have done if you were the Prez? I certainly dont want to be in his position. Very difficult scenario. Maybe, just maybe - there are things that the Prez know about and we dont.
That's nothing new! Maybe one day the Truth will out. Time will tell. WTC 911 is an enigma.
It could work this way: 'Would you cut off a leg to survive out, say in the desert/jungle?' We dont know it all. Are we meant to know?
I do agree though, WTC 911 was horrific. So was the Nukes back then on Hiroshima/Nagasaki. It all a matter of scale, considering man's march trough time and so-called progress. We must start to think for ourselves and not allow others to do that for us. We should be more on our guard. "Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"!
Mankind will not change, human nature being what it is. In the end we must all try to 'survive'. Cause and effect? If you endeavour to 'find the truth', it will find you...

At the end of day, we are all accountable for what we know. Do we really 'know', or do we 'think' we know. There's a big difference here. - A cat has a moustache, right. I have a moustache, now does that mean that I am a cat? Hardly! We are (as always) looking in the wrong places for the right answers.
We are the masters of our own destiny, either by intent or by default. Our values and lifestyle dictate our future. Our spiritual defenses are way down, hence all the difficulties around us. Our sins are being revisted upon us.The truth IS out there...

Want to know more about s911? Go check out :

www.serendipity.li/index.html

The poor folks that passed away so untimely at the WTC 911 tragedy would have I am sure wanted the world to know the Truth. How else?
May God Bless their Souls

ps. 'Enjoy the Silence' - Depeche Mode reminds me so much about the WTC 911 tragedy. Just seeing it all happen on Videos makes one feel so helpless, and yet at the same time one can see the evil in all it's force. Very sad time for the whole of mankind. The 'world' is a very evil place. Dont look to man to save this world, only the Creator has that capability. Have we perhaps forgotten our Creator??? God IS truth. If you havent found God yet, the truth will still elude you.

I am sure by now everyone has determined that there is very little that baby doc bush knows and retains...and he aint from texas....

The Mass Media’s TREASONOUS WAY’S!

Welcome to the grand illusion! Where they feed us only illusion!
He is your fake subhuman, automaton ruler. They tell their lies with impunity. Where is the free press? The press promised by our constitution and the bill of rights. Two plus years and still no information on 911 from the President, FAA, Norad, Pentagon and NYC! What are they hiding? Who issued the STAND DOWN ORDER on 911? The Mass Media is just a bunch of corrupt corporate slobs who feed on BU__! SH__! They avoid their civic duty. They got the gall to ask the hard questions to corporate outsiders. Why not to the corporate clones?
When you limit the scope of your questions and the information, it is misinformation. When the corporate press only gives misinformation it is TREASON!

Do not believe it,until it is officially denied!!

Some of this material might provide a beginning to an insightful conversation , but noting that a good portion of your respondents do not seem to have a working knowledge of the english language, It is difficult to take many of your readers responses intellectually seriously

Of course he knew but the Republican sheeple have their heads so far up his behind that all they can see is what Fox news tell them. Sorry you right wing Israeli loving freaks are too stupid to know the truth.

Why did the F16's fly so slow ? Answer that and I will still not believe the Bush administration were not involved.

On Tuesday, December 26, I spoke for my allotted three minutes as a citizen in front of my City and County councils:

A sage remarked that when an honest man is confronted with the facts that prove he is mistaken, he either ceases to be mistaken or he ceases to be honest.

Fellow citizens, if we do not act to correct the problems of our national leadership, the United Nations may well step in to do it for us.

I beseech the honorable members of P City Council to legislate a resolution on behalf of all the citizens of the City of P calling upon our representatives in the United States Congress to impeach and remove from their offices the current occupants of the White House on the serious cause of high crimes and misdemeanors in regard to the events of September 11, 2001, as provided for in the United States Constitution.

I respectfully propose a resolution reading as follows:

Whereas, George W. Bush sat and read a book about goats and posed for photographs with second-grade children in Sarasota, Florida for 25 minutes after he knew the nation was under attack on September 11;

And whereas, NORAD failed to scramble military jets, as required under standard operating procedure, to intercept flights 77 and 93, both known to be hijacked, for more than 40 minutes after the second WTC crash;

And whereas, the Bush administration did know that terrorists had plans to crash airplanes into buildings, contrary to their statements immediately after the attacks, because they had been warned of, and prepared for, that very possibility before the G-8 conference of nations in Genoa, Italy, in July 2001;

And whereas, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Richard Myers stated that "conflicting reports throughout the morning led to confusion in the command center," leaving Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld "not aware" of any possible imminent attack on the Pentagon for more than 40 minutes after we all knew the nation was under attack;

And whereas, Bush and Dick Cheney personally tried to block and continue to stonewall an investigation into the widespread intelligence failures that led to the events of September 11;

And whereas, Bush and Cheney gave safe passage out of the United States to the closest relatives of Osama bin Ladin, whom they had named as the probable perpetrator of September 11, immediately after the attacks at a time when all commercial air traffic was grounded;

And whereas, Bush and Cheney accomplished a coup d'etat on October 26, 2001, by coercing Congress to pass into law, unread and unexamined, the so-called PATRIOT Act, which revokes much of the United States Constitution and its Bill of Rights;

And whereas, The United States Constitution states that the United States "shall protect each of [the States] against invasion," and Bush and Cheney swore in their oaths of office to "preserve, protect, and defend" the Constitution;

Therefore, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, having systematically failed to protect several States, including Pennsylvania, from invasion on September 11, 2001, should be impeached and removed from office.

Bush let 3,000 innocent people die so that he would have an excuse to invade Afganistan and Iraq. He wanted a pipeline through Afganistan and Iraqi oil. It was also a good excuse for Bush to give himself excessive power so that he could hide the truth and stiffle dissent. Did Bush know? Does a cat have climbing gear?

I don't think Bush "knew about 9/11" but certainly enough intelligence officials knew about plans to hijack airliners and crash them into buildings. This information should have been passed onto pilots to "never, ever, give up control of your plane to hijackers - crash first".

Anyone who think's it's "unthinkable" that Bush knew about 3000 people dying and let it happen anyway should realize that 30,000 (!) people starve to death every day- and we don't bat an eye.

www.whatreallyhappened.com

"There's a coverup on 911"
www.voxfux.com

Chemical, Nuclear Arms Still 'Major Threat,' Cheney Says
Vice President Decries 'Cheap Shot' Journalism
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6345-2003Dec16
"There are an awful lot of people in the press who don't understand the business community," Cheney said. "I think our political opponents have spent a lot of time hammering away on trying to find some allegation that Halliburton got favoritism on contracts, or trying to make some kind of connection they've never been able to make. There's no evidence to support anything like that, but if you repeat it often enough, it becomes sort of an article of faith."

Halliburton Co. said Tuesday its Kellogg Brown & Root and DII Industries units filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in a Pittsburgh court to resolve asbestos claims against the company.
money.cnn.com/2003/12/16/news/companies/halliburton.reut/index.htm
So, while one part of Halliburton makes billions off of the war, another declares bankruptcy to evade lawsuits.

White House Web Scrubbing
www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A9821-2003Dec17
Offending Comments on Iraq Disappear From Site

Howard Dean recently seemed to muse aloud whether you had advanced knowledge of 9-11. Do you agree or disagree with the RNC that this kind of rhetoric borders on political hate speach?"
dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/86742/index.php
Bush: "Ya, Uh," Shakes head, "This is time for politics. And ya know," Shakes head & shrugs, "Its time for politics and uh, I uh," Shakes head, "Its..Its an absurd insinunation" Nods head for next question.

White House Admits Pre-9/11 Warnings; Bush Still Denies It
www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php

9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml
"How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission.

9-11 Report Questions Rice's Statements
www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-wh/2003/jul/28/072800714.html
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile."

13 June 2001.
The CIA is concerned about a possible al Qaeda attack on President Bush and other G-8 leaders scheduled to meet in Italy in July. Egyptian intelligence tells the CIA of a plot to use aircraft loaded with explosives.
pw1.netcom.com/~aguldo/agga/bt/txt/bt082001.htm

Pentagon officials carry out a "detailed" emergency drill based upon the crashing of a hijacked airliner into the Pentagon.
www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html

Here's another admission which destroys the government's lie that it couldn't possibly have foreseen the use of planes to ram buildings.
www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm
On 9/11, CIA Was Running Simulation of a Plane Crashing into a Building

Bush didn't know anything - and still doesn't. He's too dumb! The moron can't even read a newspaper by himself.

knew?? Hell, our government planned it. They needed an excuse to attack, and like so many times before, they sacrificed our own people for that purpose!

There is of course plenty of evidence that the government is somehow implicated in the events of 9-11---at the very least, through prior knowledge. I won't say any single piece of evidence is absolute and 100% proof in and of itself, but it is the convergence of these events and facts that lead one to the conclusion we aren't being told the truth on this matter.

That being said, the post "JEWS DID IT" is simply disgusting. It is unfortunate that we can't discuss the horrible facts of Israeli policies, or the issue of potential Mossad involvement or prior knowledge of 9-11, without seeing bigots crawl out from under rocks to make anti-Semitic remarks like this. I consistently denounce racism and oppression in Israeli policies, but to debase the discussion with racist rhetoric like the above post is utterly inexcusable. When we are discussing/debating these issues, the left has to be as willing to denounce comments like "JEWS DID IT" as we are to denounce equally vile comments and claims from rightwingers who support Israeli policies.

When we jump on rightwingers for defending Israel or ignoring the facts about 9-11, we stand to lose credibility (and, one could argue, integrity) if we ignore and DON'T comment on sickening posts by anti-Semites. I for one will attack an anti-Semite who is trying to agree with me faster than I will attack a rightwinger who is disagreeing with me. Racists deserve our scorn, regardless of which side of the debate their bigotry puts them on.

Drew Poe

The Zen Master was giving his students some lessons...
One day, one of his students had to make a decision pertaining to choice! Fine.
The Zen Master presented his student with a question: 'I have a Butterfly here in my closed hand, is the Butterfly Dead or Alive?? The poor student now has a choice! If he answers the Butterfly IS Dead, then the Master simply opens his hand and there the Butterfly flies away! However, should the student's answer
be that the Butterfly is Alive, then the Master simply sqaushes in his hand and viola he shows a 'dead' Butterfly in his hand.

You see, that the way of the Puppeteers!
Has always been that 'way'.
Heads ----->> You Lose!
Tails-------->> You Lose!

We are all merely actors in the greater scheme of things. Akin to Holleywood.
The innocent gullible public will always accept 'The Big Lie' !!!
Governed through Make-believe and Force.
The whole World is Governed this way. Same old story, over and over ad nauseam.
'Catch them young, treat them rough and tell them nothing'. Esoteric Masters call the shots. We just go and play in the backyard with all our shiny toys. LOL!!!
Are we only putty in the hands of the masters? You decide! Problem is, we all live in the Big Lie. Now what? Endgame? Return of Jesus, perhaps. Revelation in the Bible? Certainly seems so. At the end of the day, it's All About The Money. Period.
C yah!

The rule of law, not force, has been the cornerstone of both domestic tranquility and international peace. War puts the aggrieved in the position of being accuser, investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, without benefit of a full or public hearing of the facts or a tribunal to reach proper judgment and sentence. The inexcusable crime against humanity that occurred on September 11 is already viewed by almost every nation in the world as such. Laws against such crimes have been ratified by almost every nation on earth. Mechanisms exist to carry out justice without vengeance or favor. An ad-hoc tribunal, such as the one carried out for Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg, is the common and appropriate method to stay the hand of vengeance after a great wrong has been done, and to rise above such wrongs being repeated. A recent poll showed that 55% of the American public and 85% of the world public favor such a response over military retaliation and war. That is a clear majority of the world's people, and it is common sense. Replicating the crime is inexcusable.


President Bush's call for "Wanted dead or alive" is not justice. It is the frontier justice of the lynch posse and the bounty hunter, who are appointed as executioners before the trial. The proposed US military tribunals, suggested for any captured suspects, are similarly inappropriate forums to find justice. We have leaped from a suspect to an execution. When "circumstantial" evidence is deemed "sufficient", that is a travesty on justice. Bush avers he will "bring them to justice, or bring justice to them". Again, this skips over the most important aspect of what constitutes real justice in any situation -- charges, evidence, a fair hearing and a conviction. Instead, this is scapegoat justice, the justice of the mob. It is beneath us.


Our civil rights, democratic traditions and civil liberties are more precious than our immediate sense of security. We need to protect and defend them against the current erosions being implemented by the Justice Department and Congress. Very basic principles of conduct of Congress and legislative procedures, habeas corpus rights against arbitrary and indefinite detention, rights to privacy, rights to free speech and an unfettered press and media, rights to democratic local decision-making, rights implied by the separation of police and military functions, rights to free flow of information necessary for oversight and decisions, rights against excessive secrecy, and many more are under attack in the name of security. This trend is more recently reflected in the establishment of military tribunals. Attorney General Ashcroft has also called for a renewal of spying on political and religious groups, reviving the abuses of COINTELPRO, the FBI program aimed at the civil rights and anti-war movements of the last four decades.


Tolerance of those we disagree with, as well as ethnic groups and racial groups we have made into "enemies" abroad, is an essential part of our social contract. Yet, increased racial and religious attacks, intimidation, a chilling of free expression, and calls for mass deportation or incarceration, reminiscent of the terrible excesses of World War II against Japanese Americans, are spreading. "You are either with us or against us" is the message from the White House. Thus, anyone calling for an end to the war or the attacks on basic rights is seen as aiding the "terrorists", and can be treated as one of them. This sharp polarization, and the fears and hatreds it creates, is antithetical to basic American values of tolerance and even support for other people in a civil society.


Only social and economic justice will lead to peace. Without justice there is no peace. Restoring social justice restores hope and ends support for violence. This is true from the community level to the international level. Justice is not revenge or retaliation by the aggrieved; we live by rule of law instead. Global justice will lead to real security and global peace. War and violence lead to more of the same, wasting our moral authority as the victim, replicating the crime of innocent deaths, increasing the credibility and support for the smaller violent faction, and planting the seeds of resentment and immediate response, as well as future violence. The only way out of this endless cycle, that has marked much of human history, is to break it and refrain from vengeance and retaliation. Especially in the modern world of high-tech weapons of mass destruction, and very high percentages of non-combatant deaths resulting from the scope of modern conventional weapons, war is never an appropriate response or solution to national conflicts. We have the strength and resources to live through this tragic crime and to stand above it by calling on the rest of the world for justice, both for our people and for theirs.

We need to promote positive statements of these and other basic values. A more recent addition will be saving the lives of innocent displaced Afghanis who are without food with the onset of winter in mid-November. Humanitarian aid agencies, unable to reach them because of the bombing campaign, estimate a minimum level of one million deaths from starvation. The United Nations Security Council is considering a call for a cessation of bombing because of that prospect. Our message must unite us with the largest possible range of people who are not yet standing with us, but who have many questions about this policy now and in the future.

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"The paradigm of the last 500 years has been money values and its accumulation, violence as a means of resolving disputes, and `God is on our side', the winning paradigm for the next 500 years will be human values and protection of the planet, nonviolence, and `God doesn't take sides.'"

--Kevin Danaher, co-founder of Global Exchange

We must wake up out of Deep-deep doo-doo land! This is the real world. Cowboys dont cry.

Under the unblinking eye of the TV truth machine, sure looks like he's lying to me. Good thing people are still able to laugh in the end.

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Stretch, big strech....

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I'm sorry.

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I know you said there'll
be a time for politics, -

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but you've also said you wanted -

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to change the tone of Washington.

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Howard Dean recently
seemed to muse aloud -

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whether you had advance
knowledge of 9/11.

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Do you agree or disagree
with the RNC -

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that this kind of rhetoric borders
on political hate speech?

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Yeah... Um...
There's time for politics -

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and, you know...

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it's a type of politics
and um...

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I... Um...

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It's an absurd insinuation.

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In that case, sir, can I follow up
on something unrelated?

I like to use ketchup on my french fries, because they taste better then.

Of course he did.